The Tulip Creative Computer

(github.com)

80 points | by apitman 2 hours ago

10 comments

  • diydsp 1 hour ago
    I've been using it for a few months. Great project. I especially love adding i2c peripherals from M5. E.g. a bank of 8 rotary encoders.

    Also love how absolutely minimal it is in size and if you didnt notice, the screen is a touchscreen. And they have a basic set of ui widgets.

    Also interesting, the gfx lets you overlap sprites, bitmap, and text mode. You can tell the designers have lot of XP on 8-bit systems. And the bitmap is a little larger than the screen so you can do some superbitmap stuff. It's bot terribly larger, just a bit.

    I havent been using it as much for its synth capabilites, ironically, but for making sequencers for external instruments. I believe it also has audio in...

    Also the discord is helpful. 10/10

  • alexisread 6 minutes ago
    I get the impression that the Atari AMY chip was an inspiration? Wonderful to see how the Alles speakers are implemented!
  • apitman 1 hour ago
    What I love about this is the reduction in complexity compared to how something like this would typically be built today.

    If I were to build a synth a year ago I probably would have used Rust compiled to WASM and running in the browser. This thing has a lot of the same functionality, but you have about -30 million lines of code for the OS, -30MLOC for the browser, and another -30MLOC for Rust/LLVM.

    And that doesn't even get in to the cost of materials or power savings.

    Obviously it's not apples to apples but it really makes me wonder how much of that stack we need for most programs.

    • parentheses 40 minutes ago
      It's a trade off as always. I agree though.

      I wonder the same thing a lot. I also wonder how AI will fit into this problem.

      • apitman 20 minutes ago
        I agree AI is interesting here. It raises the level of abstraction in a similar way to the OS/Browser/language, but it does so by depending on a lot of data, as opposed to depending on a lot of code.

        The cost of abstraction is always dependencies.

  • Gys 1 hour ago
    Funny! In the '80s Tulip Computers NV[1] was a Dutch computer manufacturer that manufactured PC clones.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_Computers

    • hagbard_c 40 minutes ago
      Yes, I got a tour of their factory back in the day when I was editor for a number of IT-related magazines. Close to everything was made there in that factory from the metal housing for the machines to the circuit boards - photoresist, exposure, etching, cleaning, printing, conformal coating, through the pick-and-place machine, through the wave solder bath, testing and mounting in the chassis. In the Netherlands, in a relatively modest factory hall. If it could work then - and it did, for a while - it should be possible to do that now without the compulsive urge to outsource everything.
    • amelius 1 hour ago
      Maybe the trademark is still owned by someone (?)
      • sethhochberg 1 hour ago
        The thing about trademarks is that, if you want to prevent other people from using them, you generally have to still be using it yourself and be able/willing to justify to a court that you're still using it. (At least in most legal systems that I'm familiar with)

        Since the original company both changed names and was subsequently liquidated in bankruptcy nearly 20 years ago... that seems unlikely. There's only so many names out there, and occasionally they get fairly recycled.

    • Smalltalker-80 1 hour ago
      Was thinking that too.. :)
    • lysace 1 hour ago
      Cute of you to think that the american developers behind this would care about that.

      https://github.com/shorepine/tulipcc/graphs/contributors

  • sighansen 1 hour ago
    Looks interesting. I'm interested in the T-Deck Tulip CC and would love to use it for coding whilst im traveling. Any experience with using such a device for light programming?
    • apitman 1 hour ago
      If you're staying in python or another dynamic language it could probably work. Unfortunately I don't think there are a lot of native compilers that run on esp32s, though there are some[0]

      [0]: https://github.com/valdanylchuk/xcc700

  • wendgeabos 2 hours ago
    Old man asks: Does this support what the kids call "livecoding"?
    • WillAdams 10 minutes ago
      Funny how this has co-opted the Runtime Revolution folks re-naming their Hypercard clone as:

      https://livecode.com/

    • apitman 1 hour ago
      I didn't know about livecoding; thanks for that!

      It's seems like the Tulip could definitely be used for something like that, though you might have to write quite a bit of your own framework code in python.

  • systemerror 56 minutes ago
    Also interested if this supports strudel REPL or tidalcycles. This would be a really awesome device to use for livecoding sets if it does.
  • pjmlp 1 hour ago
    Given the name I thought it was someone reviving a PC brand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_Computers

  • jama211 57 minutes ago
    Super cool!