Ask HN: Can a tinnitus be triggered by high frequency noises?

Not exactly technical, but HN feels like the correct crowd to ask because asking anywhere else I would be considered mentally ill.

I have a tinnitus that seems to stay 99,9% of the day, it’s away for some minutes sometimes and it’s very high frequency. Imagine a power supply coil whine.

Now the mentally ill part: the tinnitus can change position (left/right ear) and change volume. I didn’t hear the tinnitus on the right ear for some days, now it’s back on it (and still audible on the left ear) after sitting on the couch again.

The couch, you ask? Two weeks ago, when the tinnitus started, we changed the layout of our living room. The couch was now located next to our WiFi router. The tinnitus started shortly after that. I never had tinnitus before. Guess what, the router makes the same noise (even my partner can hear it). After some days of realizing it might be from the router, I changed the position of it to the other side of the room, but now somehow I can still hear the high frequency from the router from 3 meters apart. And as soon as I start sitting on the couch, the tinnitus gets much worse. Even disabling electricity in the full house I still hear that WiFi router noise in my ear.

Am I insane? Is this a thing? Can some frequency cause a tinnitus which can be re-triggered by the same frequency? Can it have a memory effect? Could it be it doesn’t go away even if I don’t sit on the couch for days because all these power supplies have high frequency coil whine in each and every facility these days, which trigger it again?

I feel like Neo from The Matrix who got enlightened and now can hear electricity, but without the rest of the super powers :(

PS: I visited a doctor and am doing the usual medical procedures to deal with tinnitus (Prednisolone 60mg/day), but it doesn’t help in any way.

4 points | by tinnitus_crazy 10 hours ago

7 comments

  • ksaj 3 hours ago
    Yes, it totally can.

    I have severe tinnitus. First, I had a minor variant for many years. But what I didn't realize is that I was slowly losing my hearing in one side. Then I had surgery (tympanomastoidectomy) to remove the cyst that grew to the point it dissolved my stapes altogether, and now I have a severe variant, and significantly less hearing in that side. My tinnitus ramped up to a whole new level after that surgery.

    I tried a phone app where you would play a tone that approximates the current tinnitus tone, or white noise lacking just that frequency area. In every case, all it would do is change the tone my tinnitus was making. Sometimes it made it worse than it ever gets on its own.

    Likewise, in the summertime my tinnitus is regularly set off by the sound of cicadas. That tinnitus sounds so similar that at times I have to do an ear-plug test to see if it is just cicadas, or if is just in my head. No joke! I hate it big time.

    Having said that, I now wear hearing aids (including for my ear that wasn't operated on, just to round out the age-related hearing loss), and this surprisingly makes it WAY more manageable. When I've been wearing them, I still always have tinnitus, but it is relegated to background noise. When I don't wear them for a long time, I'm usually punished for it. It takes days of proper hearing before the tinnitus goes back to background noise level sometimes.

    BTW: I also get other types of tinnitus, which makes it worse. For example, on waking it is a really low sound that sounds like an idling diesel motor. I can even feel that one. I got that really bad after surgery, and I get it now when I'm ill. All of this was really debilitating for a couple years post-surgery, but I've come to grips with it now.

    Just about anything can set it off. Cicadas, as I mentioned, but also rapid temperature changes, exertion (although weirdly I never notice it at the gym. It's just noisy enough there to mask the squealing I guess.), hearing something unexpected at a really high pitch, and being tired pretty much guarantee a hell of a racket in my head.

  • anenefan 9 hours ago
    I'm not a doctor so all I can do is point you to places like [1] though I've had tinnitus for 30 plus years. I worked around loud equipment with inadequate ear protection - but the defining blow was having my head beside a push bike tyre when it exploded resulting in partial deafness for a day or so.

    It's different for everyone, mine is actually damage to the small hearing hairs so no cure hope at all. It takes a while for the brain to adjust and slowly ignore the noise but only to a point. Different things work and you've probably been told about white noise could could help out.

    For a start my tinnitus was like standing on the tarmac beside a jet screaming its engines ... making any conversation a great deal of effort trying to ignore the loud whine. It eased over the years where I could almost mistake it for a loud chorus of crickets or cicadas at night, which strangely was more easy to think that's just what it was. Mostly though lately I can ignore it or simply forget it's going on.

    [1] https://hearingandme.com/can-tinnitus-be-cured-what-science-...

  • k310 9 hours ago
    Music all day long diverts attention.

    There's an oldies station nearby, and's it's very effective and uplifting.

    Music at bedtime to mask odd country noises of unknown origin.

  • mattmanser 5 hours ago
    I've had tinnitus that acts like that for 20+ years. Maybe you're really lucky and it is your WiFi, but that all sounds like a coincidence rather than a cause. It probably just made you notice it. Were you in a band or anything? Listen to loud music on headphones when you were younger?

    I'm really sorry to tell you this, but you've got two choices:

    - accept it, you can't fix it

    - try and fix it, fail, accept it, you can't fix it

    There is no cure for tinnitus. The quicker you get to accepting it, the better your life will be.

    Therapy and CBT can help.

    Carry on trying to fix it for a few months by.all means, but I'd advise you give yourself a deadline to switch from 'fix it' mode to 'learn to live with it' mode.

    By complete coincidence, yesterday my tinnitus went so quiet I thought it had gone. I have a new type of glasses that don't hook behind your ears. "Oh my god, was it my glasses all along?", I thought immediately.

    My tinnitus is loud today.

    Even after 20 years there's part of me looking for a fix. But it's about how you deal with it, this morning I had a little chuckle at myself, put all thoughts about my tinnitus aside, picked up a book to read and moved on with my life.

    • ksaj 3 hours ago
      I absolutely love going to the beach. White noise masks the tinnitus so well I can't even hear it when I self-test. It's the only time I truly get a break from the sizzling and squealing.

      True, it isn't likely going to go away. My hearing aids help immensely, but mostly with tolerance, and not occurrence. It is pretty much background noise to me nowadays, although some things can really set it off. It doesn't drive me batty anymore, at least!

  • bigyabai 9 hours ago
    Try moving your couch. It's possible that you're sitting in a resonant part of the room that amplifies background noise through room modes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_modes

    That's a long shot, though.

    • tinnitus_crazy 6 hours ago
      I’ll definitely try, thanks! As a pre-measure, I won’t go to the living room for some time and closed the door, as it’s easier to test.
  • idontwantthis 8 hours ago
    1) Do you hear it away from your home? If yes then it’s in your ear not your router.

    2) The only solution to tinnitus is to stop fixating on it and eventually stop thinking about it completely. The only way to do that is to make sure you can never hear it. Learn how to mask yours with music or white noise. Especially while sleeping. It will eventually calm and might even go away. 3) Do not seek tinnitus support groups/subreddits online. They are fully fixated by definition and just reading their posts will make your symptoms worse.

    • tinnitus_crazy 6 hours ago
      1) Yes, I do hear it away from home. I was thinking of it could be triggered by coil whine / high frequency noises like the router produces, then stays for some time and then gets re-triggered by the next coil whine.
  • moomoo11 9 hours ago
    funny enough i thought i was getting tinnitus, something that was bothering me for almost a year. turned out it was my power adapter’s coil whine
    • tinnitus_crazy 6 hours ago
      That’s easily tested though, right? As you can just change rooms and it’s gone.