Steve Jobs Next Computer: His Forgotten Exile Years

(spectrum.ieee.org)

57 points | by rbanffy 3 hours ago

12 comments

  • dmazin 1 hour ago
    If you want more on this, I recommend Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing by Stross. I’m not sure, but it might be the only extensive book about Next other than this new one.

    Though it’s essentially a long hit piece. The author really had it out for Jobs.

    In fact it’s a completely uncharitable book now that I think about it. Hopefully this new book will be a lot less biased.

    • pjmlp 1 hour ago
      While maybe biased, also shows a bit about the real Steve Jobs without the distortion field, and why Apple hardware costs what it costs, even when the delivery isn't up to the premium price.
    • endemic 15 minutes ago
      Jobs really did make a lot of boneheaded decisions when running NeXT; this book just calls him out on it.
    • WillAdams 1 hour ago
      Nifty book by Rob Blessin and his son Luciano, _Inside NeXT_ which is worth looking up:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJvxze8gZq8

    • redanddead 1 hour ago
      Why did the author have it out for him?

      Jobs' life story makes me reflect on the choices we make in life. My impression is that yeah he changed the world, but he was really embattled with himself and the world, and he made a lot of enemies, partly because he stood on his principles and beliefs, come what may, but I'm sure there's more to the story

    • jorisw 1 hour ago
      Another book that focuses on this period is Becoming Steve Jobs
      • hedgehog0 1 hour ago
        I love “Becoming Steve Jobs” much more than the official biography.
        • JKCalhoun 20 minutes ago
          I bailed on the official bio when I got to the part where Jobs is (belatedly) crediting his adoptive father with showing young Steve the importance of (paraphrasing) "giving as much attention to the parts of the product that the customer will never see".

          It was clear at that point that this would be a Jobs-directed bio and I saw no point in continuing to read that.

        • jorisw 1 hour ago
          Same
      • dmazin 37 minutes ago
        Yeah, that's definitely my favorite book about Apple/Steve Jobs.
  • felixding 37 minutes ago
    In case you don't know yet, there is a project that tries to bring the NeXTSTEP look and feel to Linux:

    https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace

    • thesuitonym 14 minutes ago
      Interesting, this seems to have been around for quite a while, though not as long as AfterStep and Window Maker. I wonder why the author decided to write their own version instead of helping out with one of those projects.
    • WillAdams 15 minutes ago
      I wish that all of these sort of efforts would be folded into GNUstep:

      gnustep.org

      and that we would arrive at something useful and easily installed and widely accepted.

    • scrumper 28 minutes ago
      There was WindowMaker for a while too, just a window manager.
  • cmiles8 1 hour ago
    In many ways modern Apple is largely Next. The Apple that was dying when he returned largely faded away. Folks forget that Apple was literally days away from simply going bust. One of the most amazing comeback stories in the history of business.
    • yardie 1 hour ago
      Let's not be overly dramatic about that period. Apple was not days away from going bust. They were months away from filing bankruptcy. They were still a multi-billion dollar company even then. They just had very bad supply chain management. A bunch of old Macs sitting in warehouses not selling and too many people on payroll without any clear objectives. As Steve put it, "the ship was sinking and Gil (D'Amelio) was worried about which direction we were pointing."

      The Apple board had hired a series of presidents who, in the short term, were good for the stock, but bad for the company strategically. The one good thing they did was hire a guy who didn't give a shit about any of that, tore up the old products and wanted a clean start. Thus, the iMac and iBook was born.

      • pjmlp 1 hour ago
        I bet if they had went the BeOS route instead, wouldn't be talking about Apple today.
        • WillAdams 1 hour ago
          Yeah, I was just about bodily ejected from a BeOS demonstration when I asked how the slides were printed (at that time, BeOS did not have print drivers).
      • jazz9k 1 hour ago
        It's funny how many people Jobs had to fire during this period, but is still seen as a good guy to many in the tech community.

        Not that different from when Musk took over Twitter.

        • blipvert 9 minutes ago
          I must have missed the bit where Steve Jobs was trying to create “legion” of his offspring, supported far-right parties in Europe and tried to foment civil war in the UK.

          Guess I’ll have to buy the book

        • ipython 1 hour ago
          It’s not the same at all. The only equivalence is firing people.
        • Foobar8568 17 minutes ago
          Another difference worth pointing, Jobs wasn't seen as a pedo or nazi. And we haven't seen him begging already convicted Epstein to go to his island to enjoy the wildest parties. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/28/elon-mu...
        • elzbardico 1 hour ago
          If Apple went bankrupt, Everyone would be without a job.
          • Projectiboga 1 hour ago
            Not it they simply went Chapter 11 and reorganized.
            • shnock 53 minutes ago
              Is that how filing for bankruptcy works?
              • gangstead 32 minutes ago
                That's how chapter 11 type bankruptcy works. The business continues to run but the debtors are now the owners. There's also chapter 7 where the business shuts down and stripped for parts to pay the debts.
    • dosisking 32 minutes ago
      Apple was NeXT but not anymore. All the NeXT people were pushed out. Turns out, most of the work was being done by the NeXT people. Probably when Scott Forstall gets stabbed in the back by Tim Cook, that was the end of the NeXT era of Apple.
    • jmclnx 41 minutes ago
      True but people also forget Microsoft invested a lot of $ into Apple to keep it going. M/S did that so they could point to Apple as a competitor during their anti-trust trials.

      That investment gave Jobs time to turn Apple around, otherwise it would be gone.

  • elzbardico 1 hour ago
    I consider that Steve Jobs saved the macintosh as a commercial product twice, not only at his second coming, but also when he overrode Jef Raskins ideas in the first iteraction.
  • Geezus_42 1 hour ago
    Is it really forgotten considering it gets mentioned almost everytime he is?
  • hi41 1 hour ago
    Much respect to Steve and the engineers at Apple. However, I hate using a product from Apple that actually causes me physical pain after using it. The magic mouse. I use that for 10 minutes and my palm and wrist hurt badly. Many have experienced the same symptoms and yet Apple hasn’t changed its design. I get that Apple is creative. Do they change their product design based on feedback from actual users in their creative process?
    • ghaff 1 hour ago
      I have an older magic mouse that I replaced with a Logitech one. I won't say the Apple one caused me pain after ten minutes but I really didn't like the design after using it for a while. Much more comfortable.
    • SanjayMehta 1 hour ago
      The Mighty Mouse (the one with the little trackball on the top) was so much better except for the weekly cleaning required. My last one died a few months ago.

      I still use the first generation Magic Mouse when I have to, and I hate its sharp edges.

      I don't know anyone who likes it, they usually say they prefer the trackpad.

      • ghaff 1 hour ago
        It helps that non-Windows trackpads were the first ones I could really use. (Deliberate phraseology; trackpads on Thinkpads running Linux worked pretty well for me too.)

        Interestingly, seem to work better on Windows these days as I've discovered inadvertently. Bought a cheap used/surplus Thinkpad to install Linux and discovered it came pre-installed with Windows 11 and it actually works well.

        Depends what I'm doing. I'm very happy just using a trackpad day to day but there are some things like photo editing where I prefer a mouse.

        • SanjayMehta 16 minutes ago
          I have a Thinkpad style USB keyboard meant for server racks. Has a trackpad and that little joystick. It's only flaw is it that it's too old for that windows key.
  • puff_pastry 1 hour ago
    "Becoming Steve Jobs" had a great part about NeXT and how Steve Jobs grew there to bounce back once he was back at Apple. This looks promising.

    I think it's very interesting to read about how his personality grew and how he became a better manager and visionary at his time between CEO-ships.

  • WillAdams 1 hour ago
    Presumably, the book goes into depth about the folks who actually did the work:

    - Susan Kare and Keith Ohlfs who did the UI design

    - Caroline Rose (Author of _Inside Macintosh_) who wrote the documentation

    - Avie Tevanian (the most heavily recruited CS student at that time w/ job offers from Apple, AT&T, IBM, and Microsoft) who wrote the Mach Micro kernel

    - Brad J. Cox (author of https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1945013.Object_Orient...) who created Objective-C

    - Jean-Marie Hullot who created Interface Builder and which made Steve Jobs' "5 Minute Word Processor Demo" possible

    - Mike Paquette who wrote Display PostScript (and then, repeated that by writing Quartz, née Display PDF after the Apple bought NeXT) --- his posts to Usenet:comp.sys.next.* are a hoot and well worth looking up

    - John Anderson and Bill Tschumy who wrote WriteNow, first for the Mac, then porting the ~100,000 lines of assembly to NeXtstep

    (for a couple of years, MacExpos were SJ showing off things previously shown at NeXTexpos to thunderous applause)

    That NeXTstep included a number of major advances/breakthroughs (7) was noted in the advertising at the time, suggesting that the reader of the ad could then create the balance for a total of 10 --- some of my favourite apps:

    - Lotus Improv --- Lotus didn't dare kill of Lotus 1-2-3, so they wrote a new program, which had SJ sending them bouquets of flowers --- a recurring theme in _NeXTWorld Magazine_ was a list of applications which were wanted, and when developed were described as "in the bag" --- really wish I could justify Quantrix at work, or that someone would update the code for Flexisheet so that it would compile....

    - Altsys Virtuoso --- v1 was created by the team behind Freehand v1--3, and v2 of AV was ported to Mac OS and Windows as Macromedia FreeHand 4 (a .vrt file could be opened by FH4 by changing the file extension of the .vrt file in the document bundle to .fh4)

    - the map builder for a little game called _Doom_

    - a full-fledged desktop publishing app by Glenn Reid (author of PostScript Language Design (the Green Book) and https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8260463-thinking-in-post...) Pages.app by Pages, Inc.

    Other ports were notable, but more prosaic w/ WordPerfect being notable for taking full advantage of Display PostScript and Services and being done in just 6 weeks time (easily done since they started w/ a working Unix version).

    It is notable that for a long while, WebObjects was basically keeping the company alive, with major vendors including the USPS and Dell (that latter was a major embarrassment to MS, and their efforts to change Dell over did _not go well and garnered some notable press).

    Sad my Cube no longer boots, it w/ a connected Wacom ArtZ, paired w/ an NCR-3125 (since donated to the Smithsonian) running Go Corp. PenPoint (and later an Apple Newton MessagePad 110) represent the high-water mark of my GUI experience and got me through college --- these days I use a Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360, Kindle Scribe Colorsoft, Samsung Galaxy Note 10+, and a MacBook w/ Wacom One, but I still run Freehand/MX....

    • dosisking 25 minutes ago
      - Steve Naroff who basically hacked together Objective-C++ in a few weekends. His interview with the Computer History Museum is worth a watch.
    • jorisw 1 hour ago
      Weird to state all these details, leading with 'presumably'
      • WillAdams 1 hour ago
        I don't have the book, and I don't have much faith in writers, esp. when writing about NeXT, e.g., David Pogue writing in his column in _MacWorld_ and noting that Steve Jobs used a ThinkPad (correct) running Windows 95 (incorrect) since he couldn't be bothered to check that the ThinkPad model in question (I believe a 760C) was of course on the NeXTstep Intel compatibility list, and so, was of course running NeXTstep --- Lighthouse Design's Presentation.app was used as the model for Apple's Keynote.app
        • jorisw 1 hour ago
          Will concede that David Pogue is a bit of a hack compared to the other biographers. I didn't think his recent book added much except for some stories from the Tim Cook era.
  • xxs 1 hour ago
    Yeah forgotten, except for the OS and ObjectiveC
    • Kwpolska 1 hour ago
      It's classic IEEE Spectrum, uninspiring slop since before slop was cool.
  • ktallett 2 hours ago
    They are hardly forgotten considering the OS was a key influence of Mac OS X and you can see clear features of it today. It was hugely important in the mid 90's graphics and 3d animation era too. Such a fabulous piece of design, both software and hardware. I would much have prefered a world where Next and Mac OS never combined and we had both, as the Mac O7-9 were also a real treat to use.
    • cbm-vic-20 10 minutes ago
      It's enough of an influence that macOS APIs had (or still have) "NS" prefixes to many functions.
    • zitterbewegung 2 hours ago
      NeXT would have died and Mac OS would have been replaced by something . All macOS is is just a different window manager (to borrow a Unix term). Windows and Linux probably be more dominant . macOS is a better system than classic macOS when you realize you still have access to the NeXT internals and even many applications in utilities are really GUIs on top of command line utilities and you can roll back many features by running a command that edits a XML file that really is just a large dictionary to remove or modify features
      • jorisw 1 hour ago
        > and Mac OS would have been replaced by something

        The facts are: The only other contender was BeOS, after Talligent flopped and Copland imploded.

        But Louis-Gassée overplayed his hand.

        Source: all of the (other) Steve Jobs books

      • ghaff 1 hour ago
        Yes, and although most users don't care (directly), having essentially a BSD command line available on Mac OS is pretty useful for a lot of us.
        • ktallett 1 hour ago
          A command line of any form is the biggest positive of Rhapsody and eventually Mac OS X
      • Projectiboga 45 minutes ago
        Do you realize Steve's other successful business used NeXT and then OpenStep? That little venture, Pixar, is where the cash to save Apple came from.
      • ktallett 1 hour ago
        Mac OS was a step in a different direction, however development was far less compelling for OSX than classic. Think C was far more enjoyable and created far smaller and less power hungry apps, which allowed for a greater range of possibilities on low powered chips.

        Going to use alternatives like Haiku that can access many modern systems but on such low powered hardware shows what wastage we have.

  • wewewedxfgdf 19 minutes ago
    "Forgotten"?

    Umm no.

  • praneetbrar 2 hours ago
    One thing that often gets overlooked is how much failure and constraint shape better leadership. It seems like the NeXT years gave Jobs the space to rethink product focus in a way that likely wouldn’t have happened if Apple had kept succeeding uninterrupted.
    • jorisw 1 hour ago
      Such indeed is the gist of the story that Becoming Steve Jobs tells