Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better

(gutenberg.org)

181 points | by JSeiko 1 hour ago

13 comments

  • JSeiko 1 hour ago
    Hi! I'm one of the programmers at Gutenberg. We've been improving the site a lot over the past few months (and more is coming!). If you haven't visited the page recently, it's worth checking out again: https://www.gutenberg.org/
    • xrd 46 minutes ago
      Thank you for your work. This site is an international treasure.
    • excitednumber 36 minutes ago
      Thank you for being one of the best places on the internet
    • Falimonda 1 hour ago
      The book list elements on front page render as both horizontally and vertically scrollable divs on mobile - seems like an opportunity for improvement.

      Keep up the good work!

      • JSeiko 1 hour ago
        good feedback thanks! Doing an iteration on the homepage design is actually pretty high on the priority list. will keep your feedback in mind!
    • ExtremisAndy 38 minutes ago
      Oh, my! This does look nice. Thank you for your hard work!
      • JSeiko 35 minutes ago
        Thanks! We're currently working on a design update of the page of any specific book. Should be online soon (next 1-2 weeks or so)
    • BiraIgnacio 11 minutes ago
      Thanks so much for the work you and your team do!
    • smallnix 30 minutes ago
      There's a minor bug with chrome in android where the menu will not close when you tap outside the menu or on the menu link/button
      • JSeiko 5 minutes ago
        I've messaged the guy who's best suited to fixing this. He'll be on it this weekend
      • JSeiko 23 minutes ago
        will open an "Issue" for it
    • shuvrojit 32 minutes ago
      Great Work. Thank you. I'm also a programmer. If you are ever short on help, let me know. I would love to contribute.
    • samcollins 1 hour ago
      Very cool! Do you have a recommended way for an agent to see an index of the books and epub links?

      (I can’t quite tell if that’s an egregious abuse of the site or you’re perfectly fine to share without human eye balls hitting your www?)

      • jzs 55 minutes ago
        Now i'm not associated with gutenberg in any form, but they do have a page for offline consumption:

        https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/offline_catalogs.html

        Perhaps you can find the information you are looking for there.

        However if you plan on scraping or otherwise hitting them with a ton of traffic, consider at least to donate a good amount for the traffic you cause them. It ain't free after all.

        • JSeiko 53 minutes ago
          Donations are always appreciated ;)
      • samcollins 25 minutes ago
        Thanks for the answers! Found it:

        > All Project Gutenberg metadata are available digitally in the XML/RDF format. This is updated daily (other than the legacy format mentioned below). Please use one of these files as input to a database or other tools you may be developing, instead of crawling or roboting the website.

        And strongly consider a donation! (My addition)

        https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/offline_catalogs.html#the-p...

      • kay_o 1 hour ago
        Check out https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/offline_catalogs.html

        Don't hit the site with agent. The section furtherst bottom machine readable.

      • JSeiko 1 hour ago
        not yet, but that's not a bad idea imo. Dealing with Ai crawler traffic is definitely a challenge if that's what you were referring to.
      • ancientcatz 56 minutes ago
        OPDS?
        • gluejar 1 minute ago
          OPDS 2.0 coming RSN. email us if you want to test. OPDS 0.x is currently available (not recommended) by adding .opds to the end of a url
      • e0d075b569cd 1 hour ago
        brother ... are we really THAT stupid now?
  • throw0101c 53 minutes ago
    While PG has probably gotten a lot of use and growth with the growth/maintreaming of the Internet since the 1990s, (TIL) it started back in 1971:

    > Michael S. Hart began Project Gutenberg in 1971 with the digitization of the United States Declaration of Independence.[5] Hart, a student at the University of Illinois, obtained access to a Xerox Sigma V mainframe computer in the university's Materials Research Lab. […] This computer was one of the 15 nodes on ARPANET, the computer network that would become the Internet. Hart believed one day the general public would be able to access computers and decided to make works of literature available in electronic form for free. […]

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg

  • Someone1234 46 minutes ago
    I'm surprised no eBook Reader vendor has a Project Gutenberg "Store." Where you can just browse Gutenberg, find a book, and just grab it down to the reader. Instead, they either are actively hostile (Kindle), or require the use of Calibre (which itself is good, it is just the friction).
    • horsawlarway 37 minutes ago
      I've used https://standardebooks.org/ to pull nicely formatted Project Gutenberg books on any e-reader that supports a browser (in my case, Boox).

      Technically, I can also just directly pull the epub from Project Gutenberg, but sometimes the formatting leaves a lot to be desired.

      Once you get an e-reader that runs a semi-capable OS (ex - stock android, even an older version), it's hard to go back to something like a kindle.

      • JSeiko 31 minutes ago
        standardebooks.org is great!
    • JSeiko 43 minutes ago
      I've heard that the newest Kobo e-readers have a browser that you could use to go to gutenberg.org and directly download files.

      but yes, generally I agree with your point. Library of 75k books seems pretty valuable to have direct access to.

    • GaryBluto 41 minutes ago
      Most of them offer their own paid storefronts and have a perverse incentive not to offer a large area full of free books.
      • JSeiko 32 minutes ago
        probably true. Maybe an true open-source eReader should exist.
    • cstever 19 minutes ago
      No money for them.
  • ndr42 10 minutes ago
    The project was geo-blocked in Germany for a long time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29024039
  • JKCalhoun 32 minutes ago
    Project Gutenberg had (has?) a tendency toward plaintext that always put me off. (And it has been over a decade I'm sure since I explored the site—so I am no doubt now misinformed.)

    I like a styled formatted book—would prefer PDFs. (I know, not a popular format apparently.)

    I like the idea of Project Gutenberg but guess I found book scans on archive.org my preference.

    My go-to example is Lewis Carroll's "Through the Looking Glass" with the fantastic art of John Tenniel and Carroll's sometimes creative formatting of the prose…

    I see they (Project Gutenberg) have ePub now, which can be good if well done.

    (If not well done it can be a kind of mess. Re-flowable "HTML", paginated… Anyone ever try to print a long web page and did you enjoy the result? Perhaps that is as much on the ePub reader though.)

    • JSeiko 26 minutes ago
      We're supporting EPUB3 for the vast majority of books! At the same time we also have a "Plain Text" version for each as in a sense it's the most robust. PdFs are in the works!
    • RattlesnakeJake 30 minutes ago
      Check out Standard eBooks. They take the text from Gutenberg and add a level of polish to the ePubs.
    • JLO64 29 minutes ago
      As others here have mentioned, https://standardebooks.org/ is excellent and my understanding is that they use Gutenberg books as a source for theirs but done up much nicer.
      • dempedempe 14 minutes ago
        Source can be anything with the original text, but, more often than not, ends up being PG.
    • jiffygist 27 minutes ago
      I on the other hand prefer epubs for fiction. I mostly read on the phone.
    • graemep 30 minutes ago
      I have got quite a few books over the years from Gutenberg, and the epubs have been fine 0 even of illustrated ones.
    • the_af 15 minutes ago
      I like plain text. You can always post process it into any other format you prefer.
  • RattlesnakeJake 31 minutes ago
    As a Kindle user, I still miss the old version of the site. The new one looks great on normal desktop, but the old one was simple enough to load and directly download books on the device's built-in browser.
    • JSeiko 29 minutes ago
      That's interesting. What about the new design prevents you from doing it? Genuinely asking here. We may fix it if it's actionable
      • RattlesnakeJake 10 minutes ago
        And now it's time to put my foot in my mouth. I haven't used it in a while because it was frustrating, but you guys seem to have already fixed it :)

        The previous version of the site had two major flaws:

        1. The search bar had been removed from the top of the page, and hidden behind a "Click here to search" (or similar) link partway down the page

        2. Once you opened that page, the coloring of the site was so washed out on e-ink that the text input was hard to find.

        Thanks for fixing it!

        • JSeiko 7 minutes ago
          "you guys seem to have already fixed it" - that's what we like to hear :)
    • graemep 28 minutes ago
      Is that a Kindle issue?

      You can download books in most browsers. I know Amazon have done things to make life difficult for other stores in the past.

  • seizethecheese 55 minutes ago
    A big pet peeve of mine with Project Gutenberg was the lack of mobile styling. Looks like it’s been fixed! Awesome.
    • JSeiko 52 minutes ago
      good to hear - that was a lot of work!
  • mowmiatlas 49 minutes ago
    Made an app that allows reading PG books as audiobooks on iPhone https://loudreader.io/
    • JSeiko 48 minutes ago
      that's cool!
  • taubek 1 hour ago
    Thank you for reminding me about this project. Didn’t visit it in a long time.
  • aronhegedus 38 minutes ago
    Recently downloaded Moby Dick from here:) very easy to use
  • carlosjobim 10 minutes ago
    Their feeds of new books is a goldmine:

    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/feeds.html

    Every day you'll get much more than you're bargaining for, right into your feed or inbox. Easy download books you're interested in and put them on your Kindle.

  • solarity_studio 52 minutes ago
    Awesome
  • brcmthrowaway 40 minutes ago
    I can't read anymore due to fear of not being productive with AI