15 comments

  • genxy 5 hours ago
    If you like a discovered manuscript story, you should see "In the Hands of Dante", great movie.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1333644/

    This review doesn't spoil the movie https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/jun/19/in-the-hand-of-...

    Side note, imdb's per country rating histograms are mesmerizing https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1333644/ratings/ how different the Iranian ratings are vs the UK.

    • thrill 1 hour ago
      That looks pretty engaging - all the right people hate it.
      • genxy 55 minutes ago
        I do jump directly to the 1-star reviews, so there is that.
    • neves 1 hour ago
      First step for a great features: movies hated by people you despise
  • bit_economist 2 hours ago
    There is not a single citation in this article, even though it uses quotations.

    Here is a more reputable article for this news story: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/22/arts/music/mozart-music-f...

    • Insanity 1 hour ago
      At least they didn't use quotation marks for "emphasis".
  • LeoPanthera 10 hours ago
    "It is a sobering thought that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years."

    Tom Lehrer.

    • NooneAtAll3 9 hours ago
      Mozart lived for 35 years

      Lehrer did 97

      • palmotea 5 hours ago
        > Lehrer did [sic] 97

        FYI, most people speak the vast majority of their quotes before the day they die.

        • hbn 4 hours ago
          Unfortunately for Lehrer he embarrassed himself in his final words by misremembering how long Mozart lived
          • contextfree 12 minutes ago
            No he was correctly factoring in afterlife time dilation
          • simonh 3 hours ago
            He’ll never live it down.
          • lubujackson 4 hours ago
            Classic old guy
        • VeninVidiaVicii 5 hours ago
          The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.
        • latexr 2 hours ago
          I sure hope they speak all of them before they die. Bit hard to understand a corpse.
      • irishcoffee 8 hours ago
        It is possible Lehrer said that before his last day on earth. Sometime around age 37 would make sense.
        • assimpleaspossi 7 hours ago
          In fact, I had the original album from the 1960s and, yes, that's where I heard the line.
        • ggm 7 hours ago
          (Lehrer was a mathematician) he did the maths! Well.. arithmetic.
          • SoftTalker 3 hours ago
            Was that the new math or the old?
  • gcanyon 7 hours ago
    > the Duke failed to pay Mozart for his work

    You stiffed Mozart!? A curse on your ghost!

  • MyHonestOpinon 2 hours ago
    While interesting. Is it a 'Major discovery' ?
    • cvoss 43 minutes ago
      Mozart is among the most famous Western composers, and, like others of his stature, all his extant manuscripts have been cataloged and studied extensively. To find a previously unknown manuscript is a major event in that scholarship.
    • Mistletoe 2 hours ago
      They aren’t making more Mozart notebooks so probably.
  • mpfect 10 hours ago
    Turns out "technical debt" also applies to national archives.
    • jfengel 4 hours ago
      More than you can possibly imagine. There are warehouses full of unread papers. Any one of which could contain a reference to somebody or something important.

      There was a recently discovered letter, possibly to Shakespeare's wife, which would completely change our understanding of their marriage, and even the way his plays depict women. The only way to find such things is by hordes of grad students trudging their way through fragile paper and messy handwriting.

      • mmooss 2 hours ago
        I hate to say it, but might LLMs transform archival work? Not by replacing researchers, but by inputting everything (or orders of magnitude more than we could previously) and outputting to the researcher a prioritized list of documents / etc to examine?
        • garlic_enjoyer 9 minutes ago
          Assuming they have been transcribed, yes. The key idea that makes LLMs special is the attention mechanism. Maintaining attention over volumes of data is boring for most humans.

          Also, to be pedantic, just taking about LLMs in this context is a tad reductive. There are many deep learning models involved in archival work that aren't language models.

          I encourage you to read into this post for more context on what I mean: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48675179

        • jfengel 36 minutes ago
          If you could automate transcription, it would be an enormous boon to researchers.

          Reading the handwriting would be really hard, and it would be a massive effort to move all that paper. Just handling it is hard; it's not like flipping through mass-manufactured books.

          But I suspect that you could spend a few million dollars to revolutionize the field.

          • order-matters 0 minutes ago
            >automate transcription

            this also means trusting the LLM to decide what things mean. but there is very likely a great middle ground of having LLMs take their best guesses and then verifying the output on significant finds. the risk is in LLM understating something important, false negatives, leading to putting stuff at the bottom of the pile that appears mundane but isnt

        • Digory 14 minutes ago
          I had ChatGPT translate some old, handwritten French legal documents for family history purposes. It was far more accurate than I expected.

          At scale, with better models, we might have a way to clear out the old archives. Not only could you translate, you could ask it to triage the discoveries. "Would the average person find this noteworthy?"

        • computerdork 1 hour ago
          Oh, wow, that is actually an interesting application of ai
  • wvbdmp 5 days ago
    Apparently this was an exercise book he made for a parisian tutee, who later fled the french revolution, leading to the confiscation of the notebook by the revolutionaries.
    • yayoohooyahoo 6 hours ago
      That's exactly what the article says... so yes apparently that's what it is
      • stinkbeetle 6 hours ago
        I have it on good authority that it is a handwritten notebook.
        • palmotea 5 hours ago
          > I have it on good authority that it is a handwritten notebook.

          I'm suspicious. Didn't Mozart use a word processor?

          I mean, not a PC program, that would be ridiculous, but one of those dedicated stand-alone word processor systems (like Smith-Corona made) that they used in ancient times.

          • CWuestefeld 5 hours ago
            One of my pet peeves is what seems to be an overwhelming desire in writers to always put an adjective in front of every noun. You can never just let it be a "notebook", it has to be some kind of notebook.

            It's even worse in product naming and advertising. Nothing can be just "vanilla", you have to even put an adjective in front of your adjectives, like "Mexican vanilla".

            EDIT: s/verb/noun/

        • rob74 6 hours ago
          Note-book, as in "book containing musical notes". I expected a regular notebook (for the other kind of notes, that people like you and me might write)...
  • throwpoaster 5 hours ago
  • listenfaster 3 hours ago
    The library where the discovery was made:

    https://www.bnf.fr/en/actualitesEN/discovery-unpublished-aut...

    I’m hoping that a full scan appears in the archive linked at the bottom of the page. I’m a composer and still hand-notate in a notebook. It’s so cool to the penmanship of someone writing in notebooks so quickly yet cleanly. In case you didn’t read, the contents are primarily exercises in composition where Mozart began a passage, the student continued, and Mozart corrected / guided the students work where needed. So there’s a higher percentage of Mozart in the pieces here than not. Like Brundlefly.

  • mrighele 9 hours ago
    I love his handwriting style. I wonder if it was the first draft or a copy [1]

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqfpkTTy2w

    • coliveira 6 hours ago
      Composers were also handwriting masters. Bach also had incredible handwriting, there's a youtube channel about it.
      • SoftTalker 3 hours ago
        Schools used to spend a lot of time on penmanship. I visited a high school where they had a wall of notes left by each senior class. In the notes from the 1950s the writing was quite refined and looked very practiced, and notes left by kids in the 2020s looked like 2nd grade printing by comparison. I don't think cursive handwriting is really even taught/required anymore.

        I can imagine that in the time of Bach or Mozart that writing was a big point of emphasis in schools.

        • copperx 35 minutes ago
          They spent more time in penmanship class than an individual grad student spent learning LaTeX in the pre-LLM time, for reference/scale.
      • spacechild1 3 hours ago
        Beethoven certainly wasn't.
      • breezybottom 6 hours ago
        You've named one composer who is. I don't see where the inductive step applies.
        • rob74 6 hours ago
          The composers who didn't have neat handwriting are forgotten today because nobody could read their (musical) notes...
          • Arainach 4 hours ago
            This is simply not true. Look at Beethoven's manuscripts for instance.

            https://guides.loc.gov/beethoven/manuscripts

            • globular-toast 3 hours ago
              Wow. Can we even be sure we're listening to the right thing? Is it actually possible to read this unambiguously or is there an element of context when reading music, similar to how if you're reading prose the next word is probably grammatically correct and makes sense?
              • ternaryoperator 54 minutes ago
                The publisher was generally familiar with Beethoven’s writing and conventions. He’d prepare galleys that Beethoven would proof (and frequently edit). A substantial part of Beethoven’s known correspondence concerns corrections to galleys (and managing payments).
              • Fritatta 2 hours ago
                Exactly. The context makes it all pretty clear. Music has its own grammar, and particularly music of the common practice era from about 1650-1930.
      • JasonFruit 3 hours ago
        I see you've never worked your way through a manuscript by Donizetti.
  • K2Short 10 hours ago
    I hope we get to hear his new/old music. That would be amazing
  • jansan 8 hours ago
    Let's hope it is more authentic than the Hitler Diaries[1]

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries

    • dcminter 7 hours ago
      Any time something of popular historical interest like this pops up I think about that.

      If you've not read it then Robert Harris's (factual) book about the affair is entertaining, not least because such a broad sweep of dislikeable characters were undone by greed and folly!

      • spacechild1 2 hours ago
        The whole affair was bizarre. At one point Kujau, the author of the fake diaries, ran out of ideas and let Hitler complain about his flatulence.

        There is also a very funny German movie about it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schtonk!) The director later said that he intentionally omitted some facts about the real scandal because the audience would find it too far fetched.

        • dcminter 1 hour ago
          I think my favourite aspect of the tale (at least as Harris tells it) is that Kujau was such a bad forger, and the recipients wanted it all to be true so badly that they skipped several opportunities to actually check!

          I shall see if I can find Schtonk! with subtitles, sounds up my alley.

    • ggm 7 hours ago
      Confiscated during the revolution, kept by the national library. That's a bit different to "forged on schoolbooks with a Bic pen" provenance-wise.
    • bell-cot 7 hours ago
      Even inside the tiny niche of the classical music history world, a book of daily exercises - written for some now-obscure student, and owned by a national library - is actually a pretty minor thing.

      Very few counterfeiters bother doing nickles and dimes.

      • NopIdoN 3 hours ago
        BTW the metal in a nickel is worth about 7 cents.
    • estetlinus 6 hours ago
      > By coincidence, Goy had been looking at other documents Mozart had written for teaching just weeks earlier

      Color me sceptical

      • bell-cot 5 hours ago
        He was a niche-specialty career archivist, sorting through his library's collection of stuff from the right era and area. That is the discovery story behind a rather large fraction of such documents.
        • estetlinus 5 hours ago
          So not much a coincidence I’d say. Very much by design.
      • nok22kon 5 hours ago
        parallel construction
  • kevinten10 5 hours ago
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  • abstractspoon 5 days ago
    Anyone remember the Hitler diaries?
  • HugoMoran 2 hours ago
    seems like more of a minor discovery to me
    • alkyon 2 hours ago
      Seven previously unknown compositions for flute and harp is not minor
    • thrill 1 hour ago
      don't fret over dark keys