TSMC revealing details about next gen A14 node

(iedm26.mapyourshow.com)

61 points | by osnium123 2 days ago

9 comments

  • JumpCrisscross 1 hour ago
    TSMC: https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/log...

    Not sure what this source is, but it looks sketchy.

    • dgfl 53 minutes ago
      IEDM is more or less the most prestigious conference on semiconductor devices. Hard to get a more reliable source than a TSCM-affiliated paper from IEDM.
    • osnium123 1 hour ago
      The source is the IEDM conference website where TSMC will be presenting the paper in Dec 2026
  • aurareturn 1 day ago
    Chip density increase is slowing down. Since N10, density scaling has been 60-80%. N3 to N2 is only 20%. And now N2 to A14 is also only 20%.
    • davnicwil 35 minutes ago
      20% growth then 20% again still seems pretty good to me though. I guess compounded that is a 44% increase N3 to A14 which also starts to look much better if you zoom out a bit. I mean 44% more density since a few years ago seems, if not massive, not insignificant, like you will definitely notice it.
    • osnium123 1 day ago
      Is the increase in wafer cost higher than the density increase? If so, that means that the cost per transistor is also going up.
      • aurareturn 1 day ago
        It's hard to tell because AI has pushed up costs. IE. Chip fab margins are increasing.

        But generally, I think it's even or increasing $/transistor for each node. I'd guess that A14 would have been 20% more expensive than N2 regardless or AI or not.

        It probably is still worth it because you're also getting 20-30% better power efficiency - which is a big deal for data center chips.

    • georgeburdell 1 day ago
      A lot of that is the lack of SRAM scaling. There’s still quite a bit of improvements in the back end (metal traces). That aside, if foundries adopted say a 1T-1C SRAM we’d see a pretty rapid density doubling
      • smallmancontrov 2 hours ago
        Is 1T1C SRAM a technological thing or does it mean "persuade designers to use DRAM in the many cases where the retention contract could be timeboxed with a bit of extra thought and cross-team haggling"?
      • tliltocatl 1 hour ago
        > 1T-1C SRAM

        Aka eDRAM? It was a thing back on 14nm node, but AFAIR not so much anymore. The 1C part is hard to get right in a way that is compatible with a logic process.

      • the8472 1 hour ago
        MRAM is 1T, non-volatile and supposedly has nanosecond-scale write times so it naively seems like it'd be an ideal SRAM replacement. But I guess shrinking MTJ is more difficult than other components or there are some other limitations.
  • nwah1 2 days ago
    In simpler terms, the SRAM density improved by 2.9% (according to ChatGPT). Which is better than it sounds, because SRAM had reached a wall, in terms of density gains, and, chips can be dominated by SRAM in terms of surface area, so this can mean a lot more room for logic, even though that is also getting considerably denser.
    • anamax 1 day ago
      There's some hope of smaller SRAM in the future - https://raaam-tech.com/technology/ is a three-transistor SRAM.
      • randomblock1 2 hours ago
        It's not quite SRAM, it needs to be refreshed like DRAM. That's the main downside compared to SRAM but it's still very interesting.
        • choilive 1 hour ago
          Yes, the density vs power tradeoff could make a lot of sense in a few applications.
          • MBCook 58 minutes ago
            I wonder if it would start to make sense for SRAM caches to shrink (or not grow as fast) in favor of adding on chip DRAM cache at some tier.
  • ginko 2 hours ago
    Come on we're in the 21st century, UTF-8 is pervasive. Just call it "Å14" node.
    • celsoazevedo 1 hour ago
      I don't think it's a UTF-8 problem. It's just that most people don't have "Å" on their keyboard.
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