Show HN: Air-gapped file encryption as self-decrypting HTML page

(cms-sfx-demo.apeleg.com)

80 points | by emurlin 1 day ago

15 comments

  • technion 12 hours ago
    I never thought I'd see a browser support list that specifically includes "Dilo" or, in the last few years, "Internet Explorer", but apparently you're comprehensive.

    I went to look for unauthenticated CBC mode like every time I see this sort of thing but it's actually GCM mode so, well consider me surprised.

    • black_knight 4 hours ago
      It does say Dillo is unsupported, though! Which is a shame. No mention of Mothra…
  • mprime1 3 hours ago
    Came up with something similar a for myself: https://mprimi.github.io/portable-secret/ it was well liked by HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34083366
  • itake 8 hours ago
    I built something similar, but mine used asymetric encryption.

    It allowed people encrypt files and then the only person that can decrypt is the person with the private key, which may or may not be the person the encrypted the file.

  • lukan 20 hours ago
    I assume the "air gapped" part is merely indicating no internet required?
    • az226 20 hours ago
      Offline would be a better word.
  • som 19 hours ago
    A version of this that supported PKE would be cool. So you don't have to share a password in a side channel
  • thih9 9 hours ago
    Is there a scenario where this solution would be preferable to an encrypted zip archive?

    My guess is some heavily locked down systems. But perhaps there is more?

    • emurlin 3 hours ago
      Author here. For the main use case that motivated my building this (securely sharing sensitive-ish data with non-technical people), yes, a ZIP file may have been preferable. That is what I was using before making this.

      ZIP files can use two types of encryption, ZipCrypto or AES. As the sibling comment points out, ZipCrypto is pretty broken. IIRC the AES encryption is OK or mostly OK, but it's not universally supported, so your recipient may or may not be able to open the file you send them. Notably, the Windows built-in ZIP implementation didn't support ZipCrypto (this may have changed now that Windows ships with bsdtar / libarchive).

      Subjectively, I feel this can be simpler to use (mostly for the recipient). You can host it at some server, share the link and the password and the recipient can access it like a regular website and get a plaintext download file. Compare that with a ZIP file, which with the same flow give you a ZIP download: if they don't immediately extract it, then they may have to hunt for the password later.

    • creatonez 8 hours ago
      ZIP encryption is quite flawed.

      That being said, I can see this being useful for a similar use case where encrypted ZIPs are useful. When malware testing, you sometimes want to avoid accidentally running the malware or exposing it to antivirus software until briefly before testing begins. Encrypted zips (as well as simple transformations like ROT13 or reversing the bytes in the file) can help control the moment the malware is unleashed. This HTML based tool could be useful for doing this in network sandboxed systems, with the specific property that it's testing the antivirus behavior when the file is marked as browser downloaded.

  • firefax 20 hours ago
    cool project!

    also does everyone have to enable js to vote, or did i troll too hard? (sorry!)

  • socketcluster 10 hours ago
    This is brilliant. Keen to try it out.
  • G_o_D 8 hours ago
    Isnt use of typescript, svelte etc unnecessary. Been using a bookmarklet for decade for this purpose sharing encrypted text or files. Keep the bookmarklet hosted in git.
  • pwdisswordfishq 8 hours ago
    I never expected to find a circumstance in which this article would be relevant, but here I am.

    https://jdebp.uk/FGA/dont-use-self-decrypting-files.html

    I mean, basing this on HTML arguably mitigates the portability and vulnerability concerns, but the problem of trusting the decrypted contents still remains.

    • emurlin 3 hours ago
      Good article, thanks for sharing! I agree with the claims it makes _and_ the reasoning behind them.

      This was motivated for situations where using GPG just isn't practical. The issue is that there are very limited options to share a file securely without needing to install additional software (ZIP files come close to this, with some important caveats).

      As I was making this, I tried to mitigate many of the concerns raised in that article. For example:

      > ask for an file that can be decrypted with an ordinary standalone decryption tool

      You don't need to run the self-decryption code at all. You can use 'ordinary' tools like `openssl` to decrypt the contents (note to self, add the `openssl` instructions to the `<noscript>` rendering).

      > People who publish decryption tools expend effort to ensure that recipients can trust the actual decryption tools themselves before running them.

      You _can_ verify the integrity of the tool itself using gpg. Since you can't verify the entire HTML file (otherwise, you wouldn't be able to inject the encrypted payload), there's ways a malicious actor could add additional scripts and still pass the integrity check. However, if you're diligent enough to be using gpg to check this, you'd likely also be diligent enough to spot such additions, or you'd be using the openssl route.

    • Hacker_Yogi 5 hours ago
      Good to know. Thank you for sharing this!
  • DylanMerigaud 1 day ago
    Self-decrypting HTML? That's an innovative approach.
    • emurlin 1 day ago
      Yeah, I was inspired by self-extracting archives. I wanted to share files with basically no dependencies.

      The goal was:

      1. Something that didn't require any installation (assuming a web browser)

      2. Have a single file with no network that could self-decrypt

      3. Be fully auditable

      The second point is done by having (sort of(*)) reproducible builds and embedded OpenPGP signatures.

      The first point is made by cleverly manipulating the HTML structure so that it can decrypt without breaking the PGP signature. It can even decrypt using bare openssl (which was a design goal too, though getting the exact structure right took some work and bug reports).

      The third point is accomplished by the first two, and by the source being freely available.

      (*) Depends on the OS at the moment.

      • dang 21 hours ago
        I'm going to move this description to the top and re-up the post - I hope that's ok!
    • 112233 20 hours ago
      Somebody already has copied this innovative approach and travelled to past apparently: https://acme.com/software/securepage/
  • kooi 13 hours ago
    This is great!

    Lol @ "airgapped".

  • futuristicgeeks 11 hours ago
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  • FatalLogic 1 day ago
    • dang 20 hours ago
      Added above. Thanks!
    • emurlin 1 day ago
      Correct
  • nikhilkxmar 1 day ago
    Cool!