Germany turning abandoned coal mines into 23 lakes, becoming artificial wetland

(timesofindia.indiatimes.com)

80 points | by ohjeez 1 hour ago

9 comments

  • jttnr 44 minutes ago
    On the one hand, it's nice that they're doing it.

    One might think that they've come to the conclusion that it's time to phase out coal and move towards renewables. But coal is still big in Germany, and with the current Minister for Economic Affairs, Katarina Reiche [1], the fossil fuel lobby has installed a puppet in that position, one who is going all in on fossils again and pushing legislation that makes it much harder to expand solar and wind capacity. Even though no one needs coal anymore, big companies like RWE still forcibly demolish villages to expand their mines and show off their power .

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherina_Reiche [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine

    • cbmuser 7 minutes ago
      Wind and solar power do not provide dispatchable power and they therefore do not replace conventional power plants.

      Germany isn't keeping their coal-fired power plants and they're not building new gas-fired power plants despite the energy transition but because of it.

      You're spreading conspiracy theories when you claim Katherina Reiche is a fossil fuel puppet. She is doing what has always been the plan for the energy transition: Building gas-fired power plants.

      That plan is even in the DENA study for the energy transition:

      https://www.dena.de/fileadmin/dena/Dokumente/Pdf/9262_dena-L... (p. 29)

      And before you claim DENA is some sort of fossil fuel lobby organization, they're not. DENA belongs to the German state and was founded in 2000 by SPD and Greens:

      https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Energie-Agentur

  • m4rtink 50 minutes ago
    This is quite normal thing to do for many open pit mines or rather hard not to do if the pit goes below the water table.

    There are some very nice natural swimming pools in the local area thanks to that, for example:

    https://www.kudyznudy.cz/aktivity/koupaliste-u-libuse-v-lule... (stone quarry, IMHO one of the best summer swimming pools anywhere)

    https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zatopen%C3%BD_lom_v_Blansku (stone quarry)

    https://www.jednoustopouceskem.cz/listing/lom-kaolinka-prime... (kaolin mine)

  • axus 1 hour ago
    Haunted Hydrology's video for October 8 is about divers in flooded mines:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V-HW5HAL7Lk

  • wewewedxfgdf 17 minutes ago
    Mining operations often are toxic environments for various reasons aren't they?
    • altcognito 7 minutes ago
      Excavation pits can be clean and I'm pretty sure they would have considered what was left in the pit.

      What you're thinking of is the processing aspect of mining, which is a whole different beast.

  • pretzellogician 46 minutes ago
    These strip mine reclamations are just great.

    In the 1990s, we lived on a lake in Indiana that was reclaimed from strip mines. Recommended.

    • vitaflo 32 minutes ago
      There are lots of these in northern Minnesota and they used the tailings to turn the areas into some really great mountain biking trails, which really helps those old mining towns.
  • nurettin 44 minutes ago
    Germany is pretty famous for tagebaurekultivierung.
    • ant6n 25 minutes ago
      The Tagebaurekultivierungsaktivitäten have been going on for a long time. I remember visiting some former open pit in the 90s, as they started filling it, noting how it would take like 10 years or so. Pretty strange land.
      • jcattle 11 minutes ago
        10 years? That's nothing. Flooding Hambach will take approximately 40 years. And that includes water from the Rhine carried there by pipeline, which in the current state of the Rhine is... optimistic.
  • wg0 1 hour ago
    Now please bring back solar + nuclear energy and stop pretending that burning oil is cleaner.
    • eigenspace 1 hour ago
      Why mention nuclear but not wind? Wind has nearly as low an LCOE as solar, and is still dropping too, and wind power is anti-correlated with solar power, meaning we get more wind at night and in the winter.
      • cbmuser 6 minutes ago
        > Wind has nearly as low an LCOE as solar

        Because production costs aren't what's setting the prices, supply and demand is.

        Cheap solar and wind power doesn't help when it's not available.

      • wg0 42 minutes ago
        Yeah wind too.
      • dgellow 1 hour ago
        The north, where I live, has lots of windmills and more is being built
    • Zigurd 1 hour ago
      One of these things is not like the other. You can have solar next week at a reliable price and you'll be able to buy insurance for your solar array on the private market. Nuclear isn't going to happen no matter how many data center projects get hyped. No nuclear project will be complete before we're all talking about data centers like we talk about the Metaverse.
    • sharpshadow 9 minutes ago
      Good luck with solar in Germany when you will be paying a fee for feeding in energy to the grid during solar peek time from 2027 onwards.
    • soco 1 hour ago
      Added 17GW solar in the last 12 months, reached 129GW: https://solarzubau.de/deutschland/
    • BlackRabbit1 1 hour ago
      We are currently busy building new gas turbines. lol.
      • eigenspace 1 hour ago
        Even if the number of gas turbines will increase (it's not increasing nearly as much as you'd think if you just look at the number being built, because old ones are also being decomissioned), the amount of gas being burnt on an annual level is going to be going down. These gas plants are for bridging gaps left open by wind and solar which cannot yet be covered by batteries.

        If you believe in the transition to renewables, Germany fundamentally does still need gas turbines to make that happen, more than we currently have.

      • cbmuser 5 minutes ago
        We have to build new gas turbines since wind and solar do not provide dispatchable power.
      • bryanlarsen 1 hour ago
        That's not inconsistent. A robust grid will have enough capacity of any sort to cover peak demand during a dankelflaute but enough zero-emissions generation and storage to cover generation at all other times.

        And that's exactly what Germany is doing. Their natural gas plants only run ~15% of the time. Usage is going down faster than capacity is going up.

        https://unpopular-truth.com/2024/07/05/natures-influence-on-...

        • Tomte 1 hour ago
          Because everyone copies it: the word is Dunkelflaute. U, not a.
        • KyleTheDev 1 hour ago
          TIL Dankelflaute, a time when it is too dark with too little wind for either solar or wind energy generation. Thank you for this amazing word.
          • bryanlarsen 1 hour ago
            It has to be scoped by area. A Dankelflaute that covers the European continent has never been observed. OTOH, a Dankelflaute that covers only Germany is a regular occurrence.
            • cbmuser 3 minutes ago
              So, you're telling me there is daylight in Spain when we have night in Germany?

              Also, have you ever done some research on how winds work? They're usually blowing (or not blowing) across the whole continent.

              So, yeah, Dunkelflauten usually cover the whole continent.

        • e2le 18 minutes ago
          I'm sceptical that more gas turbines doesn't create a more vulnerable grid. The possibility of gas shortages this winter is on the horizon and if the UK were to cease exports for whatever reason it would be a disaster for the rest of Europe.

          Ed Conway released a video on the UK's gas network and disaster planning[0].

          As shown in their documentary, a shutdown of exports to Europe would only require 2 or 3 failure events (low production from wind/solar, high-usage of gas for power/heating, disruption or cessation of imports via gas-tankers, well-placed damage to the gas network, extreme weather in the north sea). To maintain pressure in the gas network, they would begin shedding the largest loads first, exports to mainland Europe is #1 on that list.

          Let's also not forget Nordstream and the disaster that caused when it mysteriously blew up. Before those pipelines exploded, there were protests in Germany because people were struggling to heat their homes.

          Nuclear isn't vulnerable to any of these issues, we're very lucky that construction and investment has continued these past decades. /s

          [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKDnZz4wypI

      • rdudek 1 hour ago
        I hear there is a shortage of blades for the turbines.
  • hndhyc0bdt 1 hour ago
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