14 comments

  • divbzero 58 minutes ago
    ‘Else’ is not commonly used in English today but the meaning does fit. From Webster’s (1913):

    Else, adverb or conjunction

    1. Besides; except that mentioned; in addition; as, nowhere else; no one else.

    2. Otherwise; in the other, or the contrary, case; if the facts were different.

    “For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it.” – Ps. li. 16.

    After ‘or’, else is sometimes used expletively, as simply noting an alternative. “Will you give thanks, … or else shall I?” – Shak.

  • hommelix 7 minutes ago
    Else can be found in English text prior to computer existence. Else can't be found in a German dictionary as a conjunction [1]. The first suggestion in Duden is the name for alder tree in lower German. Second suggestion is a firstname. If a word would come from German, it seems the first step would be to look up in a German dictionary.

    While the look up for history of computer language is interesting, the conclusion is completely wrong.

    [1] https://www.duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/Else

  • stkdump 1 hour ago
    The modern universal keywords if, else, for and while are good because they are fairly short and thus quick to type.
    • alexfortin 6 minutes ago
      I'm writing some Crystal (which has Ruby-like syntax) and I'd add `unless` to the list. I like it!
    • divbzero 46 minutes ago
      Yes, otherwise is more natural but less terse.
      • autoexec 33 minutes ago
        "or else" works too but that's still three extra characters
  • akersten 1 hour ago
    > I can't use "else" as a conjunction in normal speech, only in computer programs.

    sure you can. who's going to stop you?

  • pram 1 hour ago
    Don’t even get me started on “elif”
    • tomrod 27 minutes ago
      I like elif. It means exactly what I want it to mean!
  • zacharyvoase 1 hour ago
    it was probably a rote translation of the German word ‘sonst’
  • fcarraldo 1 hour ago
    If something were to be true, then foo.

    Or if this other thing were to be true, then bar.

    If it’s something else, then baz.

    • hekkle 11 minutes ago
      OR if is ambiguous, and wouldn't work like an 'else if' statement. I think you mean XOR.
  • bitwize 1 hour ago
    No. English has used else to mean "otherwise" since before computers came along. Wiktionary offers this quote from Call of the Wild (1903):

    "He had never seen dogs fight as these wolfish creatures fought, and his first experience taught him an unforgetable lesson. It is true, it was a vicarious experience, else he would not have lived to profit by it."

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/else#Conjunction

    There's also "or else", as made famous in crime dramas: "Meet me by the docks at midnight. Bring the money. Come alone. No cops... or else!" But in other usage it can of course be followed by something. "He had to get to work on time, or else he might be fired."

    • krautsauer 34 minutes ago
      "or else" is right in the second image, and it's clearly not "else".

      Even if it hasn't been invented as the author claims, the question of who used it in code first is a valid one, right?

  • saintfire 1 hour ago
    Article states else is archiac English but later says someone called it ignorantly incorrect English and suggested using "or".

    Ive always assumed it was effectively "otherwise" but shortened to "or else" -> "else".

    Given the alternative to use "or" as the first pushback I feel that acts as confirmation. I prefer else because "or" has implications in boolean and bitwise logic that else doesn't.

  • Frieren 1 hour ago
    If ... then ... otherwise ...

    Fixed!

    • hcs 1 hour ago
      if ... then ... neht ... fi
    • voidmoth 1 hour ago
      [dead]
  • LocalH 51 minutes ago
    what
  • xdennis 1 hour ago
    > I can't use "else" as a conjunction in normal speech, only in computer programs.

    Not true. Here's an example from 1876 in which "else" is used as a conjunction.

    > My brother is poor, and I want to look as much like him as I can, else he may feel distant from me.

    -- George Eliot ( https://www.victorianlondon.org/etexts/eliot/deronda-0047.sh... )

    ---

    Here's an example of "if ... else" from the 1914 translation of Crime and Punishment ( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Crime_and_Punishment/Part_IV/... ):

    > Perhaps it will all come back, but now if you love me, give me up . . . else I shall begin to hate you, I feel it.

    • stldev 13 minutes ago
      1611 Psalm 51:16 (KJV) uses else as a conjunction as well.
  • wewewedxfgdf 1 hour ago
    The English language origin is from programming if/then/else